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Re: ‘This Christmas’ I am mad!

mizrepresent — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:41:19 -0000

I saw This Christmas, and i liked the movie...it was lighthearted, fun, and entertaining, like others have said it reminded me of Christmas with my family...so if it's made for 'our' intended audience, so what. Critics (most often of the Caucasion persuasion) won't get it, nor will they attempt to. There is very little crossover when it comes to movies, or books written by and about African-Americans and yet we will rush out to see the next feature film, the next Godfather, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc...without failing. I think the time has come to not so much rely on Hollywood to produce the movies we want to see, but to do A Spike, and Tyler and make our own. We have a vast amount of talent at our disposal, writers, actresses, actors, film crews and people with a lot of money (ala Oprah, Jayzee and some others) who could get this done if they see fit and start thinking outside of the box. Instead of handing millions of dollars over to the studio, while making a small sum, we could make our own (Tyler Perry) and make billions. I like the feel-good movies, but i also like mysteries, action and adventure, horror, the whole gamet...we can do so much better than Soul Plane (what of waste of cash). Bottom line once they see we are making money in the film industry, they will be knocking down doors to get a piece of the action.

Re: ‘This Christmas’ I am mad!

GIB — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:02:56 -0000

Toni, I must clarify. I did not offer an opinion on "This Christmas." In fact, I specifically disclaimed any knowledge of the actual representations. Like you, however, I did make a pre-judgment based on the trailer.

I also made no specific mention of positive v. negative images in that film, though I alluded to what I perceive as negative ones in Soul Plane and Trois.

We do not disagree that more positive images of black families, professionals, or what have you are good, appropriate and desirable. Maybe one point wasn't clear, though, which is I think there should be a constant push for more nuanced depictions of our community in movies (music, literature and any art). What I am concerned about is assembly line scripts and movies. We already have it in music and we can see what "good" that has done.

I am also not as concerned about mass appeal as has been suggested. What I am concerned about is our movies being dismissed critically because NOT ONLY do they lack mass appeal, but they do little more than pander to undiscriminating tastes.

Re: ‘This Christmas’ I am mad!

TT — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:07:54 -0000

I liked the movie.
The movie also came in at #2, which is great.
I am tired of us trying to impress and cater to "them". So what if they want to insult or movies. They are not the authority on what is right, proper and good. "They" tend to insult all groups so this is no surprise.
I am also tired of us insulting our own movies as if there is something wrong with having an all black cast or some things in the movies that are familiar to many black Americans. We do not have to coon it up, but we can still have fun with being black and proud. We owe no apologies to anyone.

Re: ‘This Christmas’ I am mad!

Toni — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:20:11 -0000

As a journalist and filmmaker I have to say that this type of assessment is why we as a people do not succeed. After seeing the trailer for the film, I will admit I stood on the side of the blog's author, thinking 'This Christmas' was a bad remake of 'Soul Food.' Then, I saw the film.

This Christmas is a delightful movie. It reminded me of holidays with my own family, all the way down to the soul train line and video camera. Blacks live this way, everyone has a dysfunctional family member, and most BIG, HEALTHY FAMILIES sit at the dinner table together AND PRAY. Does that mean that whenever we see a film that shows this--it's automatically referred to as Soul Food?

Perhaps--but maybe the trailer was set up that way for a few other reasons: 1. If our positive movies continue to sell, it will give us a more powerful voice as a people. 2. The myth that all blacks "DON'T READ and aren't educated, or live well will be dispelled. 3. Maybe we'll be able to get together and finally put all the money together WE MAKE from our OUT THE BOX WEEKENED SALES and finally open our own studios--to green light the films that show better images of ourselves.

I think the film reviews above are extremely racist and whether it targets its "intended recipients" or others who beg to differ, is secondary.

I believe in knowing what I talk about before speaking, in supporting our positive images and believe that as a journalist; one should have facts straight, and as a filmmaker defend those movies that show positive images of our communities.

Maybe, before offering an opinion, you should see the film yourself and don't listen to critics who want to keep us in a stereotypical box.

Re: ‘This Christmas’ I am mad!

ETS — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:39:57 -0000

: )

When I said "flamboyantly ethnic," I meant boldly or perhaps unapologetically African-American centered/focused. The criticisms highlighted in the post suggest that there is something negative with the movie not having "mass appeal," but instead having a "target audience." My point was that there is nothing wrong with certain types of black people making certain types of movies for certain types of people. We must stop allowing our cultures to be defined by the mainstream culture.

As far as blacks not embracing diverse views of themselves, is it because they don't see diversity or is it because they aren't exposed to diversity. There is a difference.

Re: ‘This Christmas’ I am mad!

cwade — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:13:36 -0000

I'm not sure what's meant by flamboyantly ethnic, but I think one reason we don't have more diverse and quality black films is that not only has Hollywood boxed us in with mostly shallow or stereotypical portrayals; but African Americans are often reluctant to see more than one view of themselves. A lot of middle class blacks think "This Christmas" was great and accurate while I've heard a lot of poorer blacks say its "bougie"-- that most black families aren't like that, its "Hollywood Fantasy".
The success of Tyler Perry is undeniable, but the quality of his work is debatable amongst a lot of people. Some black actors have been in some great films that few black people saw even though the focus was black people. Forrest Whitaker in "The Last King of Scotland" and that movie about Rwanda I forget the name of with Don Cheadle. When those movies came out it was like pulling teeth to get black people to go see it with me because it was too"serious" or they were unfamiliar with the subject matter.
I certainly understand and appreciate the value of light entertainment, we all need that, but we cannot progress on a steady diet of it in cinema.
I know many of us are tired of the slavery depictions ,but even more contemporary black literature, from which a lot of film plots are derived, deal with some serious social issues a lot black people (and whites) would rather not see. Colorism, incest, child sexual abuse, alcoholism, drug abuse, poverty, sexism , mental illness, homosexuality, rape, religious impropriety are dominant themes in a lot of black literature because it unfortunately is still a large degree of the black experience in America.
A lot of people don't remember this but there were a lot of black people who objected to "The Color Purple" when it was first released and likewise with a lot Spike Lee films which "dared to go there" and portray the things we like to ignore ourselves and don't want white people to know too much about.
I worry that signifigant contributions by African Americans will go the way of rock n' roll, jazz ,and the blues ((and eventually hip hop))--art forms created by blacks who are largely unsupportive of now and in many cases ignorant of the magnitude of that contribution to world culture--if we don't embrace a much larger view of ourselves, demand to see it portrayed, and then actually go see it even if there's no dancing, comedy, or street lingo in it.

Re: ‘This Christmas’ I am mad!

Denene — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:02:20 -0000

I saw This Christmas on Thursday night. It wasn't great and it wasn't horrible. I did have "Soul Food" flashbacks during a couple of the scenes. I think Hollywood is in a longstanding trend right now which is the anti-gangster movies that started appearing after Boyz in the Hood and Menace 2 Society came out. I'm always happy to see successful, educated, family-oriented Black films, but I think there is a lack of creativity on a lot these movies. It's like a pattern develops.

It does bother me what these reviewers said. But I'm with ETS, and don't really pay much attention to reviews. I made my judgement by going to see the movie for myself and would give the cast an A+ and the plot a C-.

Re: ‘This Christmas’ I am mad!

ETS — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:55:29 -0000

You're not overreacting ... but truth be told it was a "you go girl" movie. I think the problem is that we have allowed the mainstream to convince us that that is automatically bad. It is possible to be "flamboyantly ethnic" and "of quality." I enjoyed the film. It wasn't great, but it was worth my two hours.

By the way, that is why I don't read reviews ... and I work in media!! LOL.