Okay, let me think about who I'll take away and who I'll add.
Thanks! Paula
suchalady vol
· 2 years ago
This is the most proactive, realistic approach to the problem I've seen anyone present thus far. It's great.
Of course, changing stations when an offensive song comes on the radio and not purchasing the material have always been realistic options as well. But this approach is great because (with the slogan and icon links) you've given people a way to spread the positivity to others that want to do the same thing.
I have two recommendations for + artists with + lyrics: check out Eric Roberson and Algebra Blesset. They are both doing music independent of major labels right now. But you can check them out on myspace and other internet sites...
BronzeTrinity
· 2 years ago
I have also started a similar movement called the positive Hip Hop Free Promotion Campaign. If we want positive artists to be more popular then we can advertise for them on our websites and blogs. Its easy because all you have to do is post a small square slide show on you site that randomly shows the CDs of positive hip hop artists. You can also make your own slide show and adjust the size if you understand the code. I like your idea too an I'll post the image :) Please visit me and spread the word!
David McQueen
· 2 years ago
I dont have any negative hip hop in my collection. However I wondered if this could be extended to some R&B that we have that is not empowering
suchalady vol
· 2 years ago
I think it applies to every genre of music. The icon says "swap out offensive artists." It didn't single out hip-hop (which is another reason this idea is really going to be effective). : )
David McQueen
· 2 years ago
I stand corrected.
Tambra
· 2 years ago
This is hot. I began weaning of rap with no purpose or hope for a while. It's like eating fast food after awhile it may result into a disease based on bad choices and unhealthy lifestyle. Creativity matters in making change. And this is the catalyst.
Fredric
· 2 years ago
post what artists you swapped. put some other people onto some new new hotness.
minus one: snoop. plus one: common.
Garry I. Bevel
· 2 years ago
WONDERFUL. BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD. Trina has been off my playlist for a while. So have quite a few other rappers. Who have I added - The Voice - Bunny Rugs (bunnyrugs.com). Reggae-inspirational, doesn't get any better.
David McQueen
· 2 years ago
Dont know if this counts but the latest addition to the old ipod are
India Arie - Testimony Vol 1 Amiel Larrieux - Morning Raphael Saddiq - Instant Vintage Omar - Sing if You Want It Raheem Devaughan - The Love Experience
The last hip hip I loaded was Lupe Fiasco - Daydream, Kick Push Tribe Called Quest - Anthlogy The Roots - Phrenology Nas - One Mic
Kimberly Michelle
· 2 years ago
Well, just cause I don't currently have portable music doesn't mean I can't participate. Off my computer playlist- G-Unit (don't even know why that crap was on here). My positive plus- Jeffrey Osbourne :)
What can I say....I'm old school....
Cluizel
· 2 years ago
Great Idea!
Off - 50 Cent In - Anthony David
That was easy...
Dame
· 2 years ago
That's a great idea Fredic, I have to figure out who I can subtract. I only really listen to Jay-Z and Nas and I don't think those are too bad. Oh, I know, Mobb Deep they're out and I'll added in Tribe Called Quest. I'll have to go and buy one of their old albums, cuz like Kimberly, I haven't gotten with the times and got a Ipod yet.
ETS
· 2 years ago
Honestly, gradual change like this on a grassroots level is the only way to create real change. When labels see that "positive" artists bring in more dollars, they're more willing to support them.
blacksmythe
· 2 years ago
hey fred. the thing that is really dawning on me is that we've made a really sharp move...one against structural issues, and one towards symbolic issues. i'd like to see us deal with the structural issues more here. it isn't just a matter of positive vs. negative...it's also a matter of figuring out the role of payola in music choice, among other things. i can't say more now because i'm ripping and running, but i'll try to chime in later with more thoughts.
Ashley
· 2 years ago
I LOVE this idea. Are we just swapping whenever we feel?
Either way, I'm not gonna lie, I have to wean myself off some of these offensive artists (UGK are hometown faves, and sad to say a lot of what I grew up on, same with 3 6 Mafia), so to begin I am swapping Too Short (don't ask), and replacing him with Foreign Exchange. As far as "R&B" I'm throwing out Pretty Ricky (it was a gift), and replacing him with Eric Roberson (this guy is incredible...check out his Myspace).
There are people that I know should be on the list ('Pac, Biggie, NWA), but I can't let them go because they have certain songs that really spoke to me for whatever reason. But yeah, that's my list :)
Fredric
· 2 years ago
ashley!
i lost my foreign exchange.....man, that was a great album.
are they selling it in stores in the u.s. or did you buy it online....?
Jarrett
· 2 years ago
Love the idea. Ultimately, it's too late to save hard-headed, hip-hopping adults, but we can still reach our babies.
Along with this, we should mentor a kid and explain to him/her that the music they love is just entertainment. Nothing to live by, nothing to aspire to become.
Dame
· 2 years ago
Jarrett
The problem isn't the adults, because most of them don't by rap albums anymore. The problem is with the "babies" as you call them. Those kids 12-18 that just eat up this ignorants type of rap music. That's the real problem, because we have these grown men making music for little kids.
But I do agree with you, we do need to start mentoring these kids.
BronzeTrinity
· 2 years ago
"The problem isn’t the adults, because most of them don’t by rap albums anymore. The problem is with the “babies” as you call them. Those kids 12-18 that just eat up this ignorants type of rap music." Thats so true. I didn't buy gangsta rap or listen to much of it so I didn't help to make them rich. Yet here I am getting involved with this because the music is harmful to the reputation of all people of African descent. Did you hear the story about what happened to Oprah when she went to Africa once? When she was there a Black guy said something like "Hi N-word" as a greeting. He thought that was how we all addressed ourselves in North America!!!
OHSucker
· 2 years ago
This is certainly something that will make a change. Hmm...now my only problem is I'll have a hard time finding something in my "listen zone" that would get a minus for a plus. My "listen zone" is filled with artists like Little Brother (NCCU EAGLE PRIDE), Slum Village, Goapele, Algebra, The Roots, Beres Hammond, Richie Spice, Jaguar Wright, Joss Stone, etc.
"The Don Imus-fueled controversy over misogynistic rap lyrics surrounds Ebony magazine’s recent decision to pull rapper Ludacris from the cover of its June issue on "the New Black Fathers" and replace him with actor, Boris Kodjoe, reports Journal-isms. "Something has changed in America in the last few weeks," Bryan Monroe, editorial director of Ebony and Jet magazines, told Journal-isms, without disclosing the identity of the rapper. As president of the National Association of Black Journalists, Monroe led the movement to have Imus fired. "I think the media is being called to account in these areas," Monroe said. There is an opportunity to "transfer the conversation around language, race, inclusiveness and diversity," as he said in his NABJ president's column."
So, this response is so late in relation to the Imus events it's ridiculous...but hip hop is a subject I can hardly resist commenting on.
In theory this idea is interesting, however I think of the actual implementation of it and so many issues float to the surface for me. For instance how one determines whether an artist is positive or negative. Although it may be easy to just place the back packers, record company created neo-soul-ish niche of hip hop artists in the "positive" category, along with any artists that predate 1994, truth is you can cite misogyny in lyrics by slick rick and Common...And then to place commercial rappers whose image doesn't revolve around the uplifting uber community oriented message that the "positive" artists have in the "negative" category is complicated too. I think of Biggie who wrote Dead Wrong...one of the most violent and lyrically appalling songs ever who also wrote Suicidal Thoughts, a track that exposes a vulnerability in the urban black male that I've not seen discussed in any written or verbal forum so candidly.
I say all of this to say that in reevaluating our relationship to hip hop, it's important to not fall into the white male constructed categories of "good" and "bad" music and to recognize these black men and women who produce these lyrics are multi-dimensional people whose experiences and messages are also diverse and shouldn't necessarily be annihilated. Understand that I have PLENTY of contentions with hip hop, and if this comment weren't turning into a dissertation I would discuss some of them now. But I think that even the uncomfortable gritty pictures that are painted by some mainstream artists need (to some extent) be defended, because they reflect realities of the black urban underclass in America, and if they don't speak on it, who will?
whew. done for now. ahhh the joys of being a bored insomniac. :P
suchalady vol
· 2 years ago
I don't think the whole point of "plus one, minus one" is to label and ostracize individual artists. I see it as a way to remind people to really just stop and actually PAY ATTENTION to the lyrical content of all artists in every musical genre and decide for themselves which songs are unacceptable for their own personal consumption; identify which songs are spreading messages of negativity. Often it seems as though people just hear a tight beat and ignore what's being said.
I agree that there are artists, particulary in hip-hop, that take a lot of critisism for degrading lyrics that don't receive credit for the poignant, introspective and inspirational songs recorded on the same album as the misogynistic cuts. So the solution, it seems, is not to simply dismiss the artist all together. Instead, support the positive songs they record; buy a CD single or download the digital version, leaving the other stuff for someone who is feeling it or just isn't that particular about what they consume.
Think of it this way: If you buy a bushel of fruit and then find that a few of them are bruised, would you throw out the entire container? (That's wasteful, so probably not.) As far as I'm concerned, the same could be applied to musical artists.
Pick your music like you pick your fruit! ; )
ged classes online
· 9 months ago
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All Comments
I love this idea!
Hit 'em where it hurts.
Take one offensive artist away, add a good one.
Okay, let me think about who I'll take away and who I'll add.
Thanks!
Paula
Of course, changing stations when an offensive song comes on the radio and not purchasing the material have always been realistic options as well. But this approach is great because (with the slogan and icon links) you've given people a way to spread the positivity to others that want to do the same thing.
I have two recommendations for + artists with + lyrics: check out Eric Roberson and Algebra Blesset. They are both doing music independent of major labels right now. But you can check them out on myspace and other internet sites...
The icon says "swap out offensive artists." It didn't single out hip-hop (which is another reason this idea is really going to be effective). : )
minus one: snoop.
plus one: common.
India Arie - Testimony Vol 1
Amiel Larrieux - Morning
Raphael Saddiq - Instant Vintage
Omar - Sing if You Want It
Raheem Devaughan - The Love Experience
The last hip hip I loaded was
Lupe Fiasco - Daydream, Kick Push
Tribe Called Quest - Anthlogy
The Roots - Phrenology
Nas - One Mic
What can I say....I'm old school....
Off - 50 Cent
In - Anthony David
That was easy...
Either way, I'm not gonna lie, I have to wean myself off some of these offensive artists (UGK are hometown faves, and sad to say a lot of what I grew up on, same with 3 6 Mafia), so to begin I am swapping Too Short (don't ask), and replacing him with Foreign Exchange. As far as "R&B" I'm throwing out Pretty Ricky (it was a gift), and replacing him with Eric Roberson (this guy is incredible...check out his Myspace).
There are people that I know should be on the list ('Pac, Biggie, NWA), but I can't let them go because they have certain songs that really spoke to me for whatever reason. But yeah, that's my list :)
i lost my foreign exchange.....man, that was a great album.
are they selling it in stores in the u.s. or did you buy it online....?
Along with this, we should mentor a kid and explain to him/her that the music they love is just entertainment. Nothing to live by, nothing to aspire to become.
The problem isn't the adults, because most of them don't by rap albums anymore. The problem is with the "babies" as you call them. Those kids 12-18 that just eat up this ignorants type of rap music. That's the real problem, because we have these grown men making music for little kids.
But I do agree with you, we do need to start mentoring these kids.
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In theory this idea is interesting, however I think of the actual implementation of it and so many issues float to the surface for me. For instance how one determines whether an artist is positive or negative. Although it may be easy to just place the back packers, record company created neo-soul-ish niche of hip hop artists in the "positive" category, along with any artists that predate 1994, truth is you can cite misogyny in lyrics by slick rick and Common...And then to place commercial rappers whose image doesn't revolve around the uplifting uber community oriented message that the "positive" artists have in the "negative" category is complicated too. I think of Biggie who wrote Dead Wrong...one of the most violent and lyrically appalling songs ever who also wrote Suicidal Thoughts, a track that exposes a vulnerability in the urban black male that I've not seen discussed in any written or verbal forum so candidly.
I say all of this to say that in reevaluating our relationship to hip hop, it's important to not fall into the white male constructed categories of "good" and "bad" music and to recognize these black men and women who produce these lyrics are multi-dimensional people whose experiences and messages are also diverse and shouldn't necessarily be annihilated. Understand that I have PLENTY of contentions with hip hop, and if this comment weren't turning into a dissertation I would discuss some of them now. But I think that even the uncomfortable gritty pictures that are painted by some mainstream artists need (to some extent) be defended, because they reflect realities of the black urban underclass in America, and if they don't speak on it, who will?
whew. done for now. ahhh the joys of being a bored insomniac. :P
I agree that there are artists, particulary in hip-hop, that take a lot of critisism for degrading lyrics that don't receive credit for the poignant, introspective and inspirational songs recorded on the same album as the misogynistic cuts. So the solution, it seems, is not to simply dismiss the artist all together. Instead, support the positive songs they record; buy a CD single or download the digital version, leaving the other stuff for someone who is feeling it or just isn't that particular about what they consume.
Think of it this way: If you buy a bushel of fruit and then find that a few of them are bruised, would you throw out the entire container? (That's wasteful, so probably not.) As far as I'm concerned, the same could be applied to musical artists.
Pick your music like you pick your fruit! ; )